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Thursday, November 30, 2006

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I respect the Japanese culture. In many aspects they are very advanced and a very respectful society, but coming up with this video I could not be more shocked. It is not the fact of killing dolphins that shocked me, which I already knew that it was happening there. But what shocked me the most was the brutal way that they do that.

I wonder how a society that is so shy it terms of human contact (where a social kiss can be a very stressful event) can support this kind of activity!!!

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Edda said...

I will post this comment without watching the video as I believe it's truly a shocking one and I just can't bear watching those live images.

As a vegetarian, I am against any kind of violence against animals. First of all we have to accept that they are beings just like us. They breathe, they grow up, they offspring...etc. They even have feelings and are far more intelligent than what we think. Any kind of torture, murder and violence against them is unacceptable!
It seems being a developed country doesn't always mean being civilized.

Courtney Hamilton said...

Stran,

"In many aspects they [Japanese] are very advanced and a very respectful society, but."

But what? How else can you capture and produce dolphin meat for the Japanese market?

"I wonder how a society that is so shy it terms of human contact (where a social kiss can be a very stressful event) can support this kind of activity!!!"

For as long as Japanese society eat dolphin meat.

I think they will eat dolphins for the same period of time that we in Europe will eat chickens or cows, or deer, or tuna, for as long as it lasts.

Most chickens in the UK are killed by men and women who have to break their necks. Cows are given a huge electric shook, then their throats are cut, there's blood everywhere. The same goes for sheep or pigs.

If you go to an abattoir in the UK, France, Spain, Ireland, you name one, their floors are just as bloody as the one in the video.

What was it exactly about the video, that made it different from the 'kind of activity' you would normally see in a Western abattoir?

Are you opposed to the killing of animals for human consumption?

The problem here Stran, is that you have singled out the Japanese people on this issue for some strange reason, and no one else. By singling out Japan, you have exposed yourself If you ask me) to acusations of cultural imperialism being dressed up as PC lingo about standards of 'animal welfare' and 'standards of human civility'.

Are we to believe now after this video, that the Japanese people have failed in both areas?

Courtney Hamilton said...

Edda,

"It seems being a developed country doesn't always mean being civilized."

So, does this mean that you think the Japanese are barbarians? Or just un-civilised?

Stran_ger said...

"How else can you capture and produce dolphin meat for the Japanese market?"
When you say produce do you mean drag the dolphin on the streat until it bleeds to death?

"I think they will eat dolphins for the same period of time that we in Europe will eat chickens or cows, or deer, or tuna, for as long as it lasts."
For me there is a huge diference between eating dolphins and eating chicken or cows, but it is simmilar for eating dears or tuna. The diference is some are breed for that purpose, so it doesnt't affect the ecosystem while the other they are part of that ecosystem and if we continue with eating some animals "until it lasts" we will end up with no animals to eat which in my mind it is not a good idea (unless you like to eat only vegetables).

"Most chickens in the UK are killed by men and women who have to break their necks."
This doesn't shoke me, no suffering here.

"Cows are given a huge electric shook,(...)" This I didn't know.

"If you go to an abattoir in the UK, France, Spain, Ireland, you name one, their floors are just as bloody as the one in the video."
You were mistaken in one thing: it was not the blood that shoke me, it was the way that they treated the animals and the way that thay kill them. I come from a country where the killing of a pig was a huge event in a village, so i saw a few and i have to say that they were bloody but the killing was quick, instant, we didn't cut the throught and let the animal bleed to death like i saw on this video. It is not the same

"What was it exactly about the video, that made it different from the 'kind of activity' you would normally see in a Western abattoir?"
I really belive that it is diferent, (the type of killing) and if it is not it is very very wrong.

"Are you opposed to the killing of animals for human consumption?"
No i am not. After all i am not vegetarian. So in this question it would be rather cynical or nonsense to respond yes.

"The problem here Stran, is that you have singled out the Japanese people on this issue for some strange reason, and no one else."
I didn't single out the Japanese. I saw this movie and post it. It is an example of lack of standards in the issue of 'animal welfare' and 'standards of human civility'. Not the only one but only one. Like i said before I respect Japanese culture and i still do.

"Are we to believe now after this video, that the Japanese people have failed in both areas?"
This posting was not intended to show that japanese people failed in both areas but rather that they can change that and improve. I think that we humans has rational animals we should care about this issues. You have tons of money spent in ways of killing a human very quickly and without pain, why not use the same idea when we are talking about killing animals for human consumption.


I have to admit that i really like dolphins, so for me it is difficult to imagine eating one, but that, it doesn't shock me. Japanese or any other culture have the right to decide what animal what to eat. The way that they (and when i say "they" i am refering to those people on the video)killed them is what is wrong, and this for me it is not culture imperialism it is just my opinion. Those images for me were brutal, in my mind it is the way to say it. As brutal as the killing of whales, elephants or seals (i don't know if you already saw any images of this).

English Republican said...

I have to agree with Courtney here, having worked in slaughter houses and seen videos from animal research labs in England I don't think the Japanese are any more or less barbaric than anyone else?

What proportion of the Japanese population are involved in the dolphin processing industry? What proportion of the English population are employed in meat packing or animal testing?

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